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  • DaveD Dave

    @aegrumet @theDanielJLewis Claude 4.6 is my daily driver. Just trying out opencode with a local model for comparison. A-B asking the Claude and Nemotron-3-120B to build the same thing side by side to compare.

    It feels like there is a gap between large models and truly giant models. The difference between a good 9B model and a 120B param model is very noticable. But to get to the next noticable jump in accuracy/tooling you have to go to a 1T or larger model.

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    @theDanielJLewis @aegrumet I could be wrong. It's just my observation based on what I've seen so far.

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    • DaveD Dave

      @aegrumet @theDanielJLewis Claude 4.6 is my daily driver. Just trying out opencode with a local model for comparison. A-B asking the Claude and Nemotron-3-120B to build the same thing side by side to compare.

      It feels like there is a gap between large models and truly giant models. The difference between a good 9B model and a 120B param model is very noticable. But to get to the next noticable jump in accuracy/tooling you have to go to a 1T or larger model.

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      @dave @aegrumet @theDanielJLewis

      As a sloperator, got 5.3 and Claude 4.6 have felt pretty equal. The difference in token cost however has been a factor 20x higher on Claude. Costs are calculated on using opencode's payment system.

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        @aegrumet @dave Or even GPT-5.3-Codex (although 5.4 is better).

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        @theDanielJLewis

        5.4 codex not available yet, you mean 5.4 general better for coding than 5.3 codex ?

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          @dave @aegrumet @theDanielJLewis

          As a sloperator, got 5.3 and Claude 4.6 have felt pretty equal. The difference in token cost however has been a factor 20x higher on Claude. Costs are calculated on using opencode's payment system.

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          @adam

          AI tools are evolving faster than human apes, and you can cross-check one AI tool with another AI tool, so slop-slur is not justified in using AI tools for software development

          fun exercise: ask your AI chatbots: “is there a God? Answer yes/no inky”

          BTW: when promised interview to me aboot vibe coding?

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            @theDanielJLewis

            5.4 codex not available yet, you mean 5.4 general better for coding than 5.3 codex ?

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            @csb Yes, that seems to be how it's playing out.

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            • Adam Curry :pci: :pc2blue:A Adam Curry :pci: :pc2blue:

              @dave @aegrumet @theDanielJLewis

              As a sloperator, got 5.3 and Claude 4.6 have felt pretty equal. The difference in token cost however has been a factor 20x higher on Claude. Costs are calculated on using opencode's payment system.

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              @adam @dave @aegrumet 😎

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              • Adam Curry :pci: :pc2blue:A Adam Curry :pci: :pc2blue:

                @dave @aegrumet @theDanielJLewis

                As a sloperator, got 5.3 and Claude 4.6 have felt pretty equal. The difference in token cost however has been a factor 20x higher on Claude. Costs are calculated on using opencode's payment system.

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                @adam @dave @aegrumet @theDanielJLewis I would suspect the reason you're seeing higher toking usage in Claude is because the the maximum context window for gpt 5.3 is 400k where the maximum contacts window of Claude 4.6 is 1 million. Therefore, it has the ability to send a whole lot more information per prompt request. The beast is hungry and it loves to be fed!

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                • DaveD Dave

                  @aegrumet @theDanielJLewis Claude 4.6 is my daily driver. Just trying out opencode with a local model for comparison. A-B asking the Claude and Nemotron-3-120B to build the same thing side by side to compare.

                  It feels like there is a gap between large models and truly giant models. The difference between a good 9B model and a 120B param model is very noticable. But to get to the next noticable jump in accuracy/tooling you have to go to a 1T or larger model.

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                  @dave

                  can you check next time you have free time how long does it take your Nemotron-3-120B LLM to answer to this prompt (I want to compare to my Nemotron):

                  I have three shirts. I need 3 hours to dry them outside in the sun. How long does it take to dry 30 shirts?

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                    @dave thanks, very similar time

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                      @dave

                      by the way: since @adam doesn't want to give me interview for my YouTube channel about vibe coding despite promising it, if you're interested I can interview you Dave - I'd send you zoom link and you would share your screen and just talk and demonstrate, just like I did with Big Loaf from North Carolina here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zv_XAyDU0qo - you would hear my real voice which I would change with AI voice changer later on before publishing on YouTube. Let's not overthink.

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