@siracusa @marcoshuerta FWIW I legit thought you meant the main pack

@caseyliss @siracusa @marcoshuerta If you replace the main one, I'd expect them to throw in a change of the smaller one too. $$$

@caseyliss @siracusa @marcoshuerta I totally knew that John meant 12V and could tell nobody else picked that up

@caseyliss @marcoshuerta Probably because you’re thinking, how much could replacing a tiny 12V battery cost? I dare you to look it up.

@siracusa @caseyliss @marcoshuerta having had to buy a couple in recent years (and watching some car builders on YouTube), I know the answer is “an upsetting amount more than you’re expecting”, regardless of currency

@WTL @caseyliss @siracusa @marcoshuerta Eh, with Porsche nothing is “thrown in”. Unless you count additional lines on the invoice.

@siracusa @caseyliss I got curious and looked it up. That had better be one hell of a battery!

@siracusa @caseyliss @marcoshuerta having replaced a 12v battery in a Macan Turbo I know I saved > $500 off dealer cost by borrowing a programmer from a friend to register the new self installed battery.

@siracusa @caseyliss @marcoshuerta I did. Wow.

@siracusa @caseyliss @marcoshuerta BMWs only fault in this is the non-standard posts they use. But you can easily add them to a normal 12V when the time comes.

@sjtrny @atpfm yup seemed like @marcoarment was saying Daikin was some cheap brand, I was astonished because in Australia it's the top performer, both in efficiency and reliability.

@siracusa @marcoshuerta @caseyliss The issues most folks had were around early software issues that drained it prematurely. I have a trickle charger I bought off Amazon just in case, but I don't typically let me car sit for weeks without it being turned or at least plugged in. After 5.5 years, mine shows 13.5-13.7V in regular use. Ironically, our IONIQ 5 had the same software drain issue…hence, the trickle charger.

@atpfm @caseyliss I’m still in love with my 2018 BMW. Yes, I’ve poured money into it, but the newer cars don’t provide the same locked-in driving experience.

@atpfm i4 is a nice car, although it does suffer from being, essentially, an ICE car. It even has a tunnel!

@trentstevens
Yeah unfortunately it seems like battery registration really does make a difference in longevity.
Our model 3’s 12v is lead acid so it was $89 at the service center (cheaper than Autozone!). It would have been just $125 to have mobile service come out and replace it!
But all our other cars have AGMs and 2 of them require registration. Thankfully I’ve never had to replace one.
@siracusa @caseyliss @marcoshuerta

@WTL @caseyliss @siracusa @marcoshuerta and deny you the opportunity to create a personal relationship with the service department? Perish the thought…

@atpfm @caseyliss Can’t wait until ATP discovers BMW ‘Neue Klasse’ and the firestorm that will follow. (Deutche edit)

@wktenbrook I am very aware already.

@trentstevens @siracusa @caseyliss @marcoshuerta Another reason Casey really needs to get VCDS or OBDeleven.

@atpfm oh boy ... Porsche, that is a whole rabbit hole to dig in ... but one thing for the two gears in the Taycan. The shifting is happening around 60mph and it is not because of higher torque at launch control or so. It is to reach better efficiency on high speed. So the 2 gear transmission has a total different meaning vs combustion engines ... an torque is not a problem for a e-motor.