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  • John SiracusaS John Siracusa

    @caseyliss @marcoshuerta Probably because you’re thinking, how much could replacing a tiny 12V battery cost? I dare you to look it up.

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    @siracusa @caseyliss @marcoshuerta having had to buy a couple in recent years (and watching some car builders on YouTube), I know the answer is “an upsetting amount more than you’re expecting”, regardless of currency

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    • WTLW WTL

      @caseyliss @siracusa @marcoshuerta If you replace the main one, I'd expect them to throw in a change of the smaller one too. $$$

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      @WTL @caseyliss @siracusa @marcoshuerta Eh, with Porsche nothing is “thrown in”. Unless you count additional lines on the invoice.

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      • John SiracusaS John Siracusa

        @caseyliss @marcoshuerta Probably because you’re thinking, how much could replacing a tiny 12V battery cost? I dare you to look it up.

        Matias KorhonenM This user is from outside of this forum
        Matias KorhonenM This user is from outside of this forum
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        @siracusa @caseyliss I got curious and looked it up. That had better be one hell of a battery!

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        • John SiracusaS John Siracusa

          @caseyliss @marcoshuerta Probably because you’re thinking, how much could replacing a tiny 12V battery cost? I dare you to look it up.

          Trent StevensT This user is from outside of this forum
          Trent StevensT This user is from outside of this forum
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          @siracusa @caseyliss @marcoshuerta having replaced a 12v battery in a Macan Turbo I know I saved > $500 off dealer cost by borrowing a programmer from a friend to register the new self installed battery.

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          • John SiracusaS John Siracusa

            @caseyliss @marcoshuerta Probably because you’re thinking, how much could replacing a tiny 12V battery cost? I dare you to look it up.

            David CohenD This user is from outside of this forum
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            David Cohen
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            @siracusa @caseyliss @marcoshuerta I did. Wow.

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            • John SiracusaS John Siracusa

              @caseyliss @marcoshuerta Probably because you’re thinking, how much could replacing a tiny 12V battery cost? I dare you to look it up.

              QuarterSwedeQ This user is from outside of this forum
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              @siracusa @caseyliss @marcoshuerta BMWs only fault in this is the non-standard posts they use. But you can easily add them to a normal 12V when the time comes.

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              • Stephen TierneyS Stephen Tierney

                @atpfm It's very strange to hear the comments about Daikin.

                They are the worlds largest AC company by sales and are considered a premium brand, with great longevity and performance. I think half the houses on my street have a ducted Daikin system installed.

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                @sjtrny @atpfm yup seemed like @marcoarment was saying Daikin was some cheap brand, I was astonished because in Australia it's the top performer, both in efficiency and reliability.

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                • John SiracusaS John Siracusa

                  @marcoshuerta If you're referring to the part where I asked @caseyliss to consider how much "replacing the battery" would cost on a Taycan, I meant the (tiny) 12V battery, not the car's giant battery pack.

                  Chris Gervais 🎸🥁💻C This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @siracusa @marcoshuerta @caseyliss The issues most folks had were around early software issues that drained it prematurely. I have a trickle charger I bought off Amazon just in case, but I don't typically let me car sit for weeks without it being turned or at least plugged in. After 5.5 years, mine shows 13.5-13.7V in regular use. Ironically, our IONIQ 5 had the same software drain issue…hence, the trickle charger.

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                  • Accidental Tech PodcastA Accidental Tech Podcast

                    678: Mentoring a Box of Numbers
                    https://atp.fm/678

                    More on the impact of AI coding, and the Jony Ive-designed Ferrari interior.

                    Nathan KingN This user is from outside of this forum
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                    Nathan King
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                    @atpfm @caseyliss I’m still in love with my 2018 BMW. Yes, I’ve poured money into it, but the newer cars don’t provide the same locked-in driving experience.

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                    • Accidental Tech PodcastA Accidental Tech Podcast

                      678: Mentoring a Box of Numbers
                      https://atp.fm/678

                      More on the impact of AI coding, and the Jony Ive-designed Ferrari interior.

                      Yury MolodtsovY This user is from outside of this forum
                      Yury MolodtsovY This user is from outside of this forum
                      Yury Molodtsov
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                      @atpfm i4 is a nice car, although it does suffer from being, essentially, an ICE car. It even has a tunnel!

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                      • Trent StevensT Trent Stevens

                        @siracusa @caseyliss @marcoshuerta having replaced a 12v battery in a Macan Turbo I know I saved > $500 off dealer cost by borrowing a programmer from a friend to register the new self installed battery.

                        ReidR This user is from outside of this forum
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                        Reid
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                        @trentstevens
                        Yeah unfortunately it seems like battery registration really does make a difference in longevity.
                        Our model 3’s 12v is lead acid so it was $89 at the service center (cheaper than Autozone!). It would have been just $125 to have mobile service come out and replace it!
                        But all our other cars have AGMs and 2 of them require registration. Thankfully I’ve never had to replace one.
                        @siracusa @caseyliss @marcoshuerta

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                        • WTLW WTL

                          @caseyliss @siracusa @marcoshuerta If you replace the main one, I'd expect them to throw in a change of the smaller one too. $$$

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                          Stephen Jensen
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                          @WTL @caseyliss @siracusa @marcoshuerta and deny you the opportunity to create a personal relationship with the service department? Perish the thought…

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                          • Accidental Tech PodcastA Accidental Tech Podcast

                            678: Mentoring a Box of Numbers
                            https://atp.fm/678

                            More on the impact of AI coding, and the Jony Ive-designed Ferrari interior.

                            Warren TenBrookW This user is from outside of this forum
                            Warren TenBrookW This user is from outside of this forum
                            Warren TenBrook
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                            @atpfm @caseyliss Can’t wait until ATP discovers BMW ‘Neue Klasse’ and the firestorm that will follow. (Deutche edit)

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                            • Warren TenBrookW Warren TenBrook

                              @atpfm @caseyliss Can’t wait until ATP discovers BMW ‘Neue Klasse’ and the firestorm that will follow. (Deutche edit)

                              John SiracusaS This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @wktenbrook I am very aware already.

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                              • Trent StevensT Trent Stevens

                                @siracusa @caseyliss @marcoshuerta having replaced a 12v battery in a Macan Turbo I know I saved > $500 off dealer cost by borrowing a programmer from a friend to register the new self installed battery.

                                not that coachmikeC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                not that coachmike
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                                @trentstevens @siracusa @caseyliss @marcoshuerta Another reason Casey really needs to get VCDS or OBDeleven.

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                                • Accidental Tech PodcastA Accidental Tech Podcast

                                  678: Mentoring a Box of Numbers
                                  https://atp.fm/678

                                  More on the impact of AI coding, and the Jony Ive-designed Ferrari interior.

                                  FoF This user is from outside of this forum
                                  FoF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @atpfm oh boy ... Porsche, that is a whole rabbit hole to dig in ... but one thing for the two gears in the Taycan. The shifting is happening around 60mph and it is not because of higher torque at launch control or so. It is to reach better efficiency on high speed. So the 2 gear transmission has a total different meaning vs combustion engines ... an torque is not a problem for a e-motor.

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                                    @atpfm oh boy ... Porsche, that is a whole rabbit hole to dig in ... but one thing for the two gears in the Taycan. The shifting is happening around 60mph and it is not because of higher torque at launch control or so. It is to reach better efficiency on high speed. So the 2 gear transmission has a total different meaning vs combustion engines ... an torque is not a problem for a e-motor.

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                                    @atpfm and to understand the Taycan issue better (especially regarding the pre Facelift) I recommend to watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sohjnE-8Vug ... one could think: Wow thats a good deal for me ... you get them cheap ... but some caveats. The whole Porsche electrification is also a huge topic in Germany btw.

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                                      @atpfm and to understand the Taycan issue better (especially regarding the pre Facelift) I recommend to watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sohjnE-8Vug ... one could think: Wow thats a good deal for me ... you get them cheap ... but some caveats. The whole Porsche electrification is also a huge topic in Germany btw.

                                      FoF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @atpfm The issue with Porsche Buyers is that they expected to have an „investment“ in to a vehicle long term ... back then there was a saying here „Only for the first Porsche you really pay“. That is definitely not the case with the Taycan ... because of that „investment“ chain of thought Porsche owners happily pay the insane maintenance costs also btw ... good concept of Porsche ...

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                                        @atpfm The issue with Porsche Buyers is that they expected to have an „investment“ in to a vehicle long term ... back then there was a saying here „Only for the first Porsche you really pay“. That is definitely not the case with the Taycan ... because of that „investment“ chain of thought Porsche owners happily pay the insane maintenance costs also btw ... good concept of Porsche ...

                                        FoF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @atpfm one more video (in orignal German language only, but google translates I believe): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYIu15OAODg ... there are thousands of comments below ... there are quality issues with the old Taycan ... maybe it is a smaller percentage ... I don’t know, but Onboard Charger and heaters are named here prominently ... as sexy as the vehicle is ... I would reconsider it ...

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                                        • Accidental Tech PodcastA Accidental Tech Podcast

                                          678: Mentoring a Box of Numbers
                                          https://atp.fm/678

                                          More on the impact of AI coding, and the Jony Ive-designed Ferrari interior.

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                                          Nate
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                                          @atpfm https://www.reddit.com/r/mac/comments/1r2ppio/jony_ive_designs_the_new_ev_ferrari/

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