@francosolerio @ChadF @mitch I am completely new to NWC/Boostbox. Can you give me the tl;dr and maybe a link to get started? How easy is it for the end user? What I loved about the early days of Alby etc. was that you could just buy satoshis for 20$ (or whatever) and then it was mostly plug and play.

@martin @ChadF @mitch BoostBox API is a way to comunicate and store the old metadata payload we used to include in keysend, but on a separate server. It's quite simple, you POST the json metadata to a server, and get back a url to include in the LnAddress/LNURLp payment comments. The recipient of the payment uses that url to GET the same json metadata.

BoostBox

(boostbox.cloud)

@martin @ChadF @mitch For the user it's quite simple. Get any wallet you like (eg. Primal app gives you a NWC wallet for free if I remember correctly). Scan a QR code to connect app<->wallet. Then send boosts and stream sats as before.

AlbyHub can still be used via NWC.

Most difficult part for newbies IMHO is buying sats with USD, but that’s the same as before.

@mitch @martin From the podcast creator side, lnaddress is much easier than keysend. With lnaddress you can pay me with a payment to james@podnews.net - with keysend it’s a complex set of numbers that are not portable. Strike is just one app that is available that acts as a (free) payment wallet.

Both allow you to send metadata with the payment. The difference is the length of that metadata. With lnaddress you need to send a URL pointing to JSON; with keysend you can send the data with your payment. It’s not true to say “no data” - just “less data”.

The privacy remains similar - the URL containing the JSON is still a long, GUID-like URL, which like Google Photos is open but is quite difficult to guess.

Worth remembering that the podcast creator side is one part of this; and then there’s the podcast listener side (for apps). We need both to be easy to develop
for and for humans to achieve.

@francosolerio @martin @mitch

Primal is free and yet another app you need but it does work really well for this.

Now that we're looking into non-keysend options I'll have to revisit some wallet options again.

@francosolerio @ChadF @martin thanks for sharing. We are steadily getting there towards NWC...I'm trying to see if I can programmatically run and populate a Bitcoin Lightning testnet first, so we can automate end-to-end testing.

This program Polar looks promising, but I just found it yesterday, and haven't made progress with it yet. https://lightningpolar.com/

@martin I basically burned out on open source development from 2024 to early 2025...feeling much better now tho, and LLM advancements in the meantime have made things even more exciting and easier.

ActivityPub is still in the picture. I think there hasn't been much discussion lately around AP as a solution for boost metadata? @francosolerio could speak to AP much better than me. I'm still getting caught up.

I do think, broadly, LLM is making it easier to adopt robust standards like AP.

@mitch @francosolerio Yeah, I burnt myself out completely too, as well as new jobs etc.
I'm finally at a place where I have the time to take Podfriend forward a bit. Of course I did that thing that everyone says you shouldn't do - start over - but since I still have access to all the old code, and can give LLMs access to it, it's relatively easy to do.

@francosolerio @ChadF @martin apparently Polar does not support the programmatic start / populate / tear down flow I am hoping for…trying something else now called Nigiri.

Bumi from Alby says they have a Sandbox that may work for us. I try to use local services for e2e processes when possible, but if Nigiri doesn’t work out I might use Alby Sandbox.

@mitch @francosolerio @martin

I haven't tried the sandbox for anything yet but it has a lot of different stuff listed in the side menu to check out. This is also very new and wasn't available when I was building.

Alby Sandbox

(sandbox.albylabs.com)