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  • G Gerard Thornley

    @aliide @theorangetheme @mttaggart
    You would think that your point about original work would apply to software engineering too (I think it does), but there seemingly are managers out there - or at least directors applying pressure - who want their engineers to use it.

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    @GerardThornley @theorangetheme @mttaggart

    I think the pressure on SWEs is *considerably* higher given the institutional pressure to make AI work! I'm sure many engineers want to write original code too, though.

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    • AliideA Aliide

      @GerardThornley @theorangetheme @mttaggart

      I think the pressure on SWEs is *considerably* higher given the institutional pressure to make AI work! I'm sure many engineers want to write original code too, though.

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      @GerardThornley @theorangetheme @mttaggart

      A bigger problem with AI and journalism is probably the volume of writers who have written about it who don't seem to understand that the fearmongering about it is part of the hype. Like the "AI could take over the world" spiel is definitely perpetuated by companies and individuals that want it venerated as some out-of-control force beyond human comprehension. It's just another side of the AI hype coin.

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        @addison @mttaggart It‘s in the Internet Archive.

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        • iam-py-testI iam-py-test

          @implementcontrols They issued this statement:

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          Journalistic standards?

          Hi folks, Since Ars is apparently posting partially or fully AI generated articles now, I have to ask - is this going to be a continued policy going...

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          @iampytest1 @implementcontrols wow that’s insane. I read arstechnica every day, not anymore, big loss in credibility.

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          • AliideA Aliide

            @GerardThornley @theorangetheme @mttaggart

            A bigger problem with AI and journalism is probably the volume of writers who have written about it who don't seem to understand that the fearmongering about it is part of the hype. Like the "AI could take over the world" spiel is definitely perpetuated by companies and individuals that want it venerated as some out-of-control force beyond human comprehension. It's just another side of the AI hype coin.

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            Gerard Thornley
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            @aliide @theorangetheme @mttaggart
            Yeah, I do get a little frustrated with the big "skynet" doom scenario stories that for the time being are unlikely, when things like obfuscation of responsibility, (at least attempted) manipulation of populations, and drastic economic shifts are pretty much here already and certain to cause harm.

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            • TaggartM Taggart

              What's going on here? The matplotlib maintainer this story is about correctly notes that all the quotes from his post in the article are made up.

              UPDATE: Link was pulled; see below.

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              Andrew Hunter
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              @mttaggart The thick plottens.

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              • Rusty ShacklefordR This user is from outside of this forum
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                Rusty Shackleford
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                #133

                @Gaelan

                Was AI used to generate this content? (Yes/No)

                Does Ars have a strict "No-AI" policy for editorial content? (Yes/No)

                If the answer to both is "Yes," how did the internal vetting process fail?

                Regardless of a holiday, "I don't know what we'll be able to say" implies negotiation with the truth. For a publication built on facts, the only thing to "say" is the truth of what happened. The longer the silence, the more it looks like calibrating an excuse rather than admitting a failure.

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                • Rusty ShacklefordR Rusty Shackleford

                  @Gaelan

                  Was AI used to generate this content? (Yes/No)

                  Does Ars have a strict "No-AI" policy for editorial content? (Yes/No)

                  If the answer to both is "Yes," how did the internal vetting process fail?

                  Regardless of a holiday, "I don't know what we'll be able to say" implies negotiation with the truth. For a publication built on facts, the only thing to "say" is the truth of what happened. The longer the silence, the more it looks like calibrating an excuse rather than admitting a failure.

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                  Rusty Shackleford
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                  @Gaelan
                  Strategic ambiguity is what this *appears* to be, it's the calculated vague speak that allows for plausible deniability that gets me.

                  Also, news cycles: Friday news dumps allow stories to die over the weekend. Pushing the response back isn't just about the holiday, it’s about waiting for the news cycle. They're betting that by Tuesday, the "outrage" will have lost its momentum, making vague statements easier to swallow.

                  I know they have internal processes for this, but not a good look.

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                  • Epic NullE Epic Null

                    @mttaggart I suppose one thing you can say about old newspapers - no one can pretend an article was never printed

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                    @Epic_Null @mttaggart
                    Winston Smith's job in 1984 was to change newspaper stories to match the Party's version of the truth, and the original sent down the Memory Hole to be incinerated.

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                    • iam-py-testI iam-py-test

                      @colo_lee What anti-trans piece?

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                      @iampytest1 It's fair to ask for a citation. I can give you some clues: it was shortly after musk acquired Twitter. Story by Timmer, I believe. More like unconscious and unacknowledged bigotry than the journalistic malpractice of this latest piece. Trust breaking behavior on the part of Ars editors and mgmt. I cancelled my sub at that point. I've seen a lot of links to Ars articles recently and thought about starting to read them again. But ...

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                      • TaggartM Taggart

                        What's going on here? The matplotlib maintainer this story is about correctly notes that all the quotes from his post in the article are made up.

                        UPDATE: Link was pulled; see below.

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                        Page not found 404 | Ars Technica

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                        @mttaggart this is the weirdest story. Here is a link to SCOTT SHAMBAUGH’s blog explaining the whole thing with an update about the additional AI generated reporting. https://web.archive.org/web/20260214062635/https://theshamblog.com/an-ai-agent-published-a-hit-piece-on-me/

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                        • G Gerard Thornley

                          @aliide @theorangetheme @mttaggart
                          Yeah, I do get a little frustrated with the big "skynet" doom scenario stories that for the time being are unlikely, when things like obfuscation of responsibility, (at least attempted) manipulation of populations, and drastic economic shifts are pretty much here already and certain to cause harm.

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                          Aliide
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                          @GerardThornley @theorangetheme @mttaggart yes! as well as the problems/biases inherent in the training material or in the ways that it's trained

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                          • TaggartM Taggart

                            UPDATE: They pulled the story, but I had it up and had SingleFile in my browser, so: https://mttaggart.neocities.org/ars-whoopsie

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                            @mttaggart Revenge of the bots. Creepy.

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                            • William Canna-bassJ William Canna-bass

                              @mttaggart
                              "But that person has not come forward. If they instructed the agent to generate the blog post, they bear responsibility for a personal attack on a volunteer maintainer. "
                              Sounds like a solid case of #Libel to me

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                              @JizzelEtBass @mttaggart even if they *didn't* "instruct" the tool to do so, they're responsible for the text it generated, I'd say

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                              • IcooIeyI IcooIey

                                @mttaggart this is the weirdest story. Here is a link to SCOTT SHAMBAUGH’s blog explaining the whole thing with an update about the additional AI generated reporting. https://web.archive.org/web/20260214062635/https://theshamblog.com/an-ai-agent-published-a-hit-piece-on-me/

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                                @IcooIey @mttaggart

                                I am so disappointed in Ars Technica.

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                                • TaggartM Taggart

                                  What's going on here? The matplotlib maintainer this story is about correctly notes that all the quotes from his post in the article are made up.

                                  UPDATE: Link was pulled; see below.

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                                  Page not found 404 | Ars Technica

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                                  @mttaggart sounds like a job for @404mediaco

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                                  • IcooIeyI IcooIey

                                    @mttaggart this is the weirdest story. Here is a link to SCOTT SHAMBAUGH’s blog explaining the whole thing with an update about the additional AI generated reporting. https://web.archive.org/web/20260214062635/https://theshamblog.com/an-ai-agent-published-a-hit-piece-on-me/

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                                    Tim Farley
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                                    @IcooIey @mttaggart way deep in this article he says “more than likely there was no human telling the AI to do this.” I’m skeptical. More than likely? How so? Maybe he should have run down that possibility first? It would be so easy for whoever created that agent to hoax this whole thing for clicks.

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                                      Matt Griffin
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                                      @jalefkowit @mttaggart it's a huge betrayal on their part. I'm so angry right now.

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                                      • TaggartM Taggart

                                        What's going on here? The matplotlib maintainer this story is about correctly notes that all the quotes from his post in the article are made up.

                                        UPDATE: Link was pulled; see below.

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                                        Page not found 404 | Ars Technica

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                                        @mttaggart I stopped going to [Big Publish] websites when the electrical conductor magazine site (they can pay me to mention their brands) started whinging about me blocking their animated ads which were so distracting I couldn’t read their articles without blocking them. It was obvious their goal wasn’t to publish news or informational articles, it’s to sell my attention to their actual customers, their advertisers.

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                                        • AndyA Andy

                                          @mttaggart sounds like a job for @404mediaco

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                                          Philippe Jadin
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                                          @andyinabox @mttaggart @404mediaco was going to mention 404 as well. Fascinating story... Full support to you. This is a crazy time we live in.

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