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  • TaggartM Taggart

    What's going on here? The matplotlib maintainer this story is about correctly notes that all the quotes from his post in the article are made up.

    UPDATE: Link was pulled; see below.

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    @mttaggart A 404 without an apology is a terrible look for them. In my life you get one shot. If you slop me once I will never use your service again...

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    • TaggartM Taggart

      UPDATE: They pulled the story, but I had it up and had SingleFile in my browser, so: https://mttaggart.neocities.org/ars-whoopsie

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      @mttaggart thanks for documenting this. I've referenced your thread here

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      • MichaelI Michael

        @mttaggart A 404 without an apology is a terrible look for them. In my life you get one shot. If you slop me once I will never use your service again...

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        @implementcontrols @mttaggart it is a friday evening before a long weekend in the US, I'm giving it until tuesday

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        • cR0wC cR0w

          @mttaggart It's just too on the nose.

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          @cR0w

          WILD! Thank you @mttaggart for reporting on this!

          ❝Okay, an update:

          We have pulled the story over concerns that it may have gone against our content policies. I locked the comments, and I'm going to lock this one too, we need some time.

          We are doing an investigation right now to figure out exactly what happened. Given that it's Friday afternoon we probably won't have something to report back until Monday, but we will follow up with an explanation for our readers. Edit: Monday is a holiday, my bad, and I don't know what we'll be able to say, so I don't want to over-promise anything.❞

          Source: Ars forum https://arstechnica.com/civis/threads/journalistic-standards.1511650/#post-44249741

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          • Patrick Morris MillerK This user is from outside of this forum
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            @Sobex @bnys @mttaggart Oh, you see the comment where Aurich called Discord demanding biometrics and scans of ID cards 'a nothingburger'? And the further comments (plural) where he defended that wording?

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            • TaggartM Taggart

              Aaand the full comments thread from the original story: https://arstechnica.com/civis/threads/after-a-routine-code-rejection-an-ai-agent-published-a-hit-piece-on-someone-by-name.1511649/

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              @mttaggart

              We need some time to 'investigate' whether we are using AI or not. We plumb forgot.

              LOL

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              • TaggartM Taggart

                What's going on here? The matplotlib maintainer this story is about correctly notes that all the quotes from his post in the article are made up.

                UPDATE: Link was pulled; see below.

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                Patrick Morris MillerK This user is from outside of this forum
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                @mttaggart I am shocked, shocked that an article under the name of Ars' resident bot licker contains hallucinations.

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                • MichaelI Michael

                  @mttaggart A 404 without an apology is a terrible look for them. In my life you get one shot. If you slop me once I will never use your service again...

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                  @implementcontrols They issued this statement:

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                  Hi folks, Since Ars is apparently posting partially or fully AI generated articles now, I have to ask - is this going to be a continued policy going...

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                  • MegatronicThronBanksM MegatronicThronBanks

                    @mttaggart Makes me want to delete AT from my regular sources, but I'll hold off. They should issue an apology if they haven't.

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                    @megatronicthronbanks

                    We have pulled the story over concerns that it may have gone against our content policies. I locked the comments, and I'm going to lock this one too, we need some time.

                    We are doing an investigation right now to figure out exactly what happened. Given that it's Friday afternoon we probably won't have something to report back until Monday, but we will follow up with an explanation for our readers. Edit: Monday is a holiday, my bad, and I don't know what we'll be able to say, so I don't want to over-promise anything.

                    Wait until we learn the results (or lack thereof) of this investigation.
                    Maybe its just CYA, maybe they are seriously looking into this.

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                    • Lee from ColoradoC Lee from Colorado

                      @Sobex @bnys @mttaggart
                      and while this was a faster response than the trans hit piece of a couple years ago, it's the same playbook: lock comments, promise an investigation, and hope it dies down over the weekend.
                      A pity really. A place I used to value. For me, the anti-trans piece was the end.

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                      @colo_lee What anti-trans piece?

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                      • Dusk to Don :raccoon:D Dusk to Don :raccoon:

                        @cR0w

                        WILD! Thank you @mttaggart for reporting on this!

                        ❝Okay, an update:

                        We have pulled the story over concerns that it may have gone against our content policies. I locked the comments, and I'm going to lock this one too, we need some time.

                        We are doing an investigation right now to figure out exactly what happened. Given that it's Friday afternoon we probably won't have something to report back until Monday, but we will follow up with an explanation for our readers. Edit: Monday is a holiday, my bad, and I don't know what we'll be able to say, so I don't want to over-promise anything.❞

                        Source: Ars forum https://arstechnica.com/civis/threads/journalistic-standards.1511650/#post-44249741

                        Rusty ShacklefordR This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @dusk @cR0w @mttaggart @iampytest1

                        "…I don't know what we'll be able to say, so I don't want to over-promise anything…"

                        You say, 'We won't use AI to write our publication'

                        There's nothing else to say.
                        There's no promises to be made.

                        Ars prides itself on technical accuracy. AI slop is a direct hit to their identity. The longer they wait to give a straight answer, the more it *appears* like they're trying to figure out how much they can get away with, instead of just being bluntly transparent.

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                        • TaggartM Taggart

                          @theorangetheme I think the lock might be SOP for a pulled story. And mods tend not to like rampant speculation.

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                          @mttaggart @theorangetheme I'm genuinely confused about how this was allowed to happen. I tend to assume Ars has better editorial processes than some of the places I've worked, and both writers have long-term specialisations. My most charitable explanation is that someone created a version that they though would be funny and that was accidentally published. Very curious to see what their investigation yields.

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                          • AliideA Aliide

                            @mttaggart @theorangetheme I'm genuinely confused about how this was allowed to happen. I tend to assume Ars has better editorial processes than some of the places I've worked, and both writers have long-term specialisations. My most charitable explanation is that someone created a version that they though would be funny and that was accidentally published. Very curious to see what their investigation yields.

                            The Orange ThemeT This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @aliide @mttaggart I think people either simply don't care anymore, or workers are under such corporate pressure to either deliver or use AI (or both), and this is the natural endpoint of that. Probably a little of both (I know genuine enthusiasts, for whom I've lost all respects, but I also know people who are basically being forced to use AI by their corporate overlords). I don't know much, but I do know this: journalists don't run newspapers.

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                            • The Orange ThemeT The Orange Theme

                              @aliide @mttaggart I think people either simply don't care anymore, or workers are under such corporate pressure to either deliver or use AI (or both), and this is the natural endpoint of that. Probably a little of both (I know genuine enthusiasts, for whom I've lost all respects, but I also know people who are basically being forced to use AI by their corporate overlords). I don't know much, but I do know this: journalists don't run newspapers.

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                              @theorangetheme @mttaggart oh, we very much don't, and I've even had editors insert mistakes into my stories before, without giving me readbacks. But this isn't the case of a single word or phrase, this is entire quotes being inserted. I don't buy into the idea that there is pressure on journos to use AI though — the point of the profession is original work, which AI by definition cannot do.

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                              • AliideA Aliide

                                @theorangetheme @mttaggart oh, we very much don't, and I've even had editors insert mistakes into my stories before, without giving me readbacks. But this isn't the case of a single word or phrase, this is entire quotes being inserted. I don't buy into the idea that there is pressure on journos to use AI though — the point of the profession is original work, which AI by definition cannot do.

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                                @aliide @mttaggart I hope you're right. I'm trying not to be too cynical, but it's hard lately.

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                                • The Orange ThemeT The Orange Theme

                                  @aliide @mttaggart I hope you're right. I'm trying not to be too cynical, but it's hard lately.

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                                  @aliide @mttaggart Thank you for the work that you do, by the way. Good journalism is a treasure, and sorely needed.

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                                  • TaggartM Taggart

                                    What's going on here? The matplotlib maintainer this story is about correctly notes that all the quotes from his post in the article are made up.

                                    UPDATE: Link was pulled; see below.

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                                    @mttaggart simply amazing, in the worst possible way.

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                                    • TaggartM Taggart

                                      What's going on here? The matplotlib maintainer this story is about correctly notes that all the quotes from his post in the article are made up.

                                      UPDATE: Link was pulled; see below.

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                                      @mttaggart this is crazy. The Ai bots commenting under his blog is just rubbing salt on the wound.

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                                        Look at that picture! This is why you need to figure out how to get control of a robot at distance.

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                                        • TaggartM Taggart

                                          What's going on here? The matplotlib maintainer this story is about correctly notes that all the quotes from his post in the article are made up.

                                          UPDATE: Link was pulled; see below.

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                                          @mttaggart
                                          I don't know what is real anymore, holy shit.

                                          If I'm reading things correctly Ars hallucinated the quotes in the article but still linked to this blog post correctly, right?

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