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  • Marco ArmentM This user is from outside of this forum
    Marco ArmentM This user is from outside of this forum
    Marco Arment
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    Just had a wild thought:

    Have we made our last major programming languages?

    Jason BeckerJ J. P. WhitesideJ Alex BabaevB Michael SmithA Ben HaleN 27 Replies Last reply
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    • Marco ArmentM Marco Arment

      Just had a wild thought:

      Have we made our last major programming languages?

      Jason BeckerJ This user is from outside of this forum
      Jason BeckerJ This user is from outside of this forum
      Jason Becker
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      @marcoarment I actually have a friend who has spent the last month writing a new language that more deeply embeds the ideas of MCP into its core. It's fascinating to see him take what he's learned and bring it to a domain-- I think we may actually see lots of micro-languages that are purpose built.

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      • Marco ArmentM Marco Arment

        Just had a wild thought:

        Have we made our last major programming languages?

        J. P. WhitesideJ This user is from outside of this forum
        J. P. WhitesideJ This user is from outside of this forum
        J. P. Whiteside
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        @marcoarment Feels like in some ways, prompt engineering (or whatever it morphs into) is the new programming language.

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        • Marco ArmentM Marco Arment

          Just had a wild thought:

          Have we made our last major programming languages?

          Alex BabaevB This user is from outside of this forum
          Alex BabaevB This user is from outside of this forum
          Alex Babaev
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          @marcoarment To be able to think about that, we need to define a programming language.

          From my prospective, I think there will be many more structured ways of specifying algorithms. Maybe tailored to usage with LLMs.

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          • Marco ArmentM Marco Arment

            Just had a wild thought:

            Have we made our last major programming languages?

            Michael SmithA This user is from outside of this forum
            Michael SmithA This user is from outside of this forum
            Michael Smith
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            @marcoarment last major language for humans?

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            • Marco ArmentM Marco Arment

              Just had a wild thought:

              Have we made our last major programming languages?

              Ben HaleN This user is from outside of this forum
              Ben HaleN This user is from outside of this forum
              Ben Hale
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              @marcoarment Yes. The next programming language will be LLM-friendly, possibly even created by an LLM.

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              • Marco ArmentM Marco Arment

                Just had a wild thought:

                Have we made our last major programming languages?

                AndrewC This user is from outside of this forum
                AndrewC This user is from outside of this forum
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                @marcoarment why would people stop making those?

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                • Ben HaleN Ben Hale

                  @marcoarment Yes. The next programming language will be LLM-friendly, possibly even created by an LLM.

                  Ben HaleN This user is from outside of this forum
                  Ben HaleN This user is from outside of this forum
                  Ben Hale
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                  @marcoarment The best analogy I have is that our current abstraction programming languages are likely to become the next “assembly language”. Something that you can drop to if things are really hairy, but you are likely working at a higher-level abstraction nearly all the time.

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                  • Marco ArmentM Marco Arment

                    Just had a wild thought:

                    Have we made our last major programming languages?

                    Jeff SmithS This user is from outside of this forum
                    Jeff SmithS This user is from outside of this forum
                    Jeff Smith
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                    @marcoarment if we think about it - programming languages have largely been about enabling yet another layer of abstraction and becoming more human friendly. From flipping switches, to assembly/machine language to C to Java, Perl, etc … (except Perl, that was an abomination). Natural language to an LLM that will use whatever language is appropriate seems like the natural next step.

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                    • Marco ArmentM Marco Arment

                      Just had a wild thought:

                      Have we made our last major programming languages?

                      josephM This user is from outside of this forum
                      josephM This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @marcoarment The idea that everyone turning to LLMs to generate their code means the code it generates doesn't matter is silly. Will there be wide swaths of slop where it doesn't matter? Sure, but for the places where quality matters (life safety, mission critical, in theory places like Apple) there will still be a need to review, tweak, and smooth the source code that an engineer first generates with an LLM tool

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                      • Marco ArmentM Marco Arment

                        Just had a wild thought:

                        Have we made our last major programming languages?

                        Erik ChildsE This user is from outside of this forum
                        Erik ChildsE This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @marcoarment I suspect we’ll have a new round of languages that are designed to be used by LLMs more efficiently, but still readable/understandable by humans.

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                        • Marco ArmentM Marco Arment

                          Just had a wild thought:

                          Have we made our last major programming languages?

                          ran makR This user is from outside of this forum
                          ran makR This user is from outside of this forum
                          ran mak
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                          @marcoarment i'm thinking: probably not. all of our existing languages have been for human understanding.

                          vibe coding still writes languages we've been using for years. what if we throw away the part where you get to audit it for the sake of a more efficient language?

                          that sounds crazy and reckless and totally on point witb 2026

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                          • Ben HaleN Ben Hale

                            @marcoarment The best analogy I have is that our current abstraction programming languages are likely to become the next “assembly language”. Something that you can drop to if things are really hairy, but you are likely working at a higher-level abstraction nearly all the time.

                            Troldann ArothinT This user is from outside of this forum
                            Troldann ArothinT This user is from outside of this forum
                            Troldann Arothin
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                            @nebhale @marcoarment I'm curious how this LLM will be trained to use an LLM-friendly language.

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                            • Marco ArmentM Marco Arment

                              Just had a wild thought:

                              Have we made our last major programming languages?

                              Eshu MarneediE This user is from outside of this forum
                              Eshu MarneediE This user is from outside of this forum
                              Eshu Marneedi
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                              @marcoarment Probably. And I actually think it has very little to do with LLMs. I feel like we’ve reached peak programming language.

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                              • Marco ArmentM Marco Arment

                                Just had a wild thought:

                                Have we made our last major programming languages?

                                RyanR This user is from outside of this forum
                                RyanR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @marcoarment all these real engineers with free time?

                                You know they're making languages.

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                                • Erik ChildsE Erik Childs

                                  @marcoarment I suspect we’ll have a new round of languages that are designed to be used by LLMs more efficiently, but still readable/understandable by humans.

                                  josephM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  joseph
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                                  @emc @marcoarment actually I think this is even less likely. One reason LLMs are *so* good at writing code is because there is an insane amount of material for them to train on

                                  What about current languages is inefficient for LLMs? What aspects of LLMs would you take advantage of with a new language?

                                  How would you train all the edge cases and best practices if there's not a huge number of humans out there generating the content LLMs have trained on so far?

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                                  • Marco ArmentM Marco Arment

                                    Just had a wild thought:

                                    Have we made our last major programming languages?

                                    Sean HardingS This user is from outside of this forum
                                    Sean HardingS This user is from outside of this forum
                                    Sean Harding
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                                    @marcoarment Haskell proves that people will make programming languages that no one wants or needs, so I say no.

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                                    • Marco ArmentM Marco Arment

                                      Just had a wild thought:

                                      Have we made our last major programming languages?

                                      australopithecusA This user is from outside of this forum
                                      australopithecusA This user is from outside of this forum
                                      australopithecus
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                                      @marcoarment
                                      Definitely no, but "You've made your last major programming language, {Villain_Name}!" makes for a great line.

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                                      • Marco ArmentM Marco Arment

                                        Just had a wild thought:

                                        Have we made our last major programming languages?

                                        Stuart BreckenridgeS This user is from outside of this forum
                                        Stuart BreckenridgeS This user is from outside of this forum
                                        Stuart Breckenridge
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                                        @marcoarment Hell no. There’s usually a new version of Swift to learn every year.

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                                        • Marco ArmentM Marco Arment

                                          Just had a wild thought:

                                          Have we made our last major programming languages?

                                          gormsterG This user is from outside of this forum
                                          gormsterG This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          @marcoarment I seriously doubt it. I’m not sure we’ll ever see another C++, but another Python? Absolutely.

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