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  • Adam Curry :pci: :pc2blue:A Adam Curry :pci: :pc2blue:

    @csb let us know when you run out of token credits. It's a token flamethrower.

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    @adam

    yez, that’s true actually, and indeed main weak link of OpenClaw

    My plan is to test it first on Claude opus 4.6 model (price: $5 for million input tokens)

    and then to switch to cheap Chyna model MiniMax 2.5 (price: $0.3 for million input tokens)

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    • CSB ≡ Comic Strip BloggerC CSB ≡ Comic Strip Blogger

      @adam

      yez, that’s true actually, and indeed main weak link of OpenClaw

      My plan is to test it first on Claude opus 4.6 model (price: $5 for million input tokens)

      and then to switch to cheap Chyna model MiniMax 2.5 (price: $0.3 for million input tokens)

      Black Sir bigl0af of the BLAZA This user is from outside of this forum
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      @csb @adam CSB is on point...i'm running openclaw against my rtx4090 locally, plus a few other machines with iGPUs...runs like a raped ape, especially with the good Chinese models...US models suck, especially gpt-oss - it can't even do tool calling correctly half the time!

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      • CSB ≡ Comic Strip BloggerC CSB ≡ Comic Strip Blogger

        @adam

        yez, that’s true actually, and indeed main weak link of OpenClaw

        My plan is to test it first on Claude opus 4.6 model (price: $5 for million input tokens)

        and then to switch to cheap Chyna model MiniMax 2.5 (price: $0.3 for million input tokens)

        Sir Ryan BemroseR This user is from outside of this forum
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        @csb @adam The *main* weak link of OpenClaw is that it has no security model. Never install it on any machine that has access or stored credentials to anything that you don't want published to the dark web.
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        • Sir Ryan BemroseR Sir Ryan Bemrose
          @csb @adam The *main* weak link of OpenClaw is that it has no security model. Never install it on any machine that has access or stored credentials to anything that you don't want published to the dark web.
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          @ryan

          Ryan you speak about something you did not try yourself so you’re wrong. Please try it yourself first before you speak.

          Openclaw can be secured with command “openclaw doctor --deep --yes” and other tricks.

          But main weakness being LLM stays: unless one owns expensive Nvidia card, purchasing LLM API is necessary.

          @adam

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            @ryan

            Ryan you speak about something you did not try yourself so you’re wrong. Please try it yourself first before you speak.

            Openclaw can be secured with command “openclaw doctor --deep --yes” and other tricks.

            But main weakness being LLM stays: unless one owns expensive Nvidia card, purchasing LLM API is necessary.

            @adam

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            @csb @adam I don't need to pee on the electric fence in order to know that it's dangerous.
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            • Black Sir bigl0af of the BLAZA Black Sir bigl0af of the BLAZ

              @csb @adam CSB is on point...i'm running openclaw against my rtx4090 locally, plus a few other machines with iGPUs...runs like a raped ape, especially with the good Chinese models...US models suck, especially gpt-oss - it can't even do tool calling correctly half the time!

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              @admin@mastodon.foxfam.club @csb@podcastindex.social @adam@podcastindex.social Good to know.

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                @admin@mastodon.foxfam.club @csb@podcastindex.social @adam@podcastindex.social Good to know.

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                @nom @adam @csb yeah I've tried nemotron, llama3, gpt oss, Gemma... They all suck compared to the qwen and Mistral models

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                • CSB ≡ Comic Strip BloggerC CSB ≡ Comic Strip Blogger

                  @adam

                  yez, that’s true actually, and indeed main weak link of OpenClaw

                  My plan is to test it first on Claude opus 4.6 model (price: $5 for million input tokens)

                  and then to switch to cheap Chyna model MiniMax 2.5 (price: $0.3 for million input tokens)

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                  @csb@podcastindex.social @adam@podcastindex.social This is what Petey Steinberger suggests.

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                  • Randy Black ✞🙏⚡️:pc2blue:R This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @csb @ryan @adam OpenClaw stores API Keys and credentials in clear text. No encryption. If someone gets access to the machine they have access to that information. That’s a CLEAR security issue.

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                    • Randy Black ✞🙏⚡️:pc2blue:R Randy Black ✞🙏⚡️:pc2blue:

                      @csb @ryan @adam OpenClaw stores API Keys and credentials in clear text. No encryption. If someone gets access to the machine they have access to that information. That’s a CLEAR security issue.

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                      @rgblack316

                      thanks for feedback

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