@nathan Didn’t you create a tag proposal for a color palette tag once before?
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@nathan Didn’t you create a tag proposal for a color palette tag once before?
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@dave Ehh, it's the kind of tag that only works with universal adoption, but the climb from 0% has so many incentives working against it. Any developer who wants a UX like the screenshots below will build a fallback for shows without the tag. Just vibe-code a dominant color extraction and derive your theme from that. At that point, a `<podcast:themeColor hex="#FFA32A"/>` tag would actually be a less trustworthy source of data than the fallback code. (Updated artwork, forgot the tag.)
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@dave Ehh, it's the kind of tag that only works with universal adoption, but the climb from 0% has so many incentives working against it. Any developer who wants a UX like the screenshots below will build a fallback for shows without the tag. Just vibe-code a dominant color extraction and derive your theme from that. At that point, a `<podcast:themeColor hex="#FFA32A"/>` tag would actually be a less trustworthy source of data than the fallback code. (Updated artwork, forgot the tag.)
@dave My recommendation is that app developers who want to support more theming in their app should document some new purpose tokens for the `podcast:image` tag, and encourage podcasters to provide the assets that would enable that richer experience in their app. That's basically how Apple does it. Just not in the feed.
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@dave My recommendation is that app developers who want to support more theming in their app should document some new purpose tokens for the `podcast:image` tag, and encourage podcasters to provide the assets that would enable that richer experience in their app. That's basically how Apple does it. Just not in the feed.
Full Page Show Art - Apple Podcasts for Creators
Find specs and download the template for Full Page Show Art — a great way to celebrate your show and engage with listeners.
(podcasters.apple.com)
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@dave I have a half-finished blog post trying to explain that it's not enough to propose a hypothetical end state with universal adoption. New tags have to convince developers that it'll be worthwhile to be one of the first to adopt it, long before a tag reaches that point.
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@dave I think that still begs the same question: "If a given tag is missing, who's to blame for a poor listener experience? The podcaster or the developer?"
We already have those expectations for things like a default image and title, but I don't know that developers implementing publisher feeds will feel comfortable putting that burden on the hosts for any new tag.
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@dave I think that still begs the same question: "If a given tag is missing, who's to blame for a poor listener experience? The podcaster or the developer?"
We already have those expectations for things like a default image and title, but I don't know that developers implementing publisher feeds will feel comfortable putting that burden on the hosts for any new tag.
@dave When I was launching Steno, I got a lot of people expecting transcripts on every single show, and I was comfortable laying the blame at the feet of the podcaster cause I had nothing to lose. But you can see that Apple and Overcast felt they had to put in a lot more work to release a satisfactory product.
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@dave When I was launching Steno, I got a lot of people expecting transcripts on every single show, and I was comfortable laying the blame at the feet of the podcaster cause I had nothing to lose. But you can see that Apple and Overcast felt they had to put in a lot more work to release a satisfactory product.
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@dave I think that still begs the same question: "If a given tag is missing, who's to blame for a poor listener experience? The podcaster or the developer?"
We already have those expectations for things like a default image and title, but I don't know that developers implementing publisher feeds will feel comfortable putting that burden on the hosts for any new tag.
