@ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

the problem isn't mastodon it's your govt

if mastodon servers don't implement age verification in those jurisdictions that make it law, those servers get shut down by that govt

so you're blaming the wrong entity

are you really asking servers to face legal punishment and then get shut down anyway?

don't get me wrong: be angry

*at your govt*

not mastodon

@Mastodon @mellifluousbox

Fuck your age verification plans. Don’t be fooled #FaceScan and ID laws are not here to protect children, they are here to enable more #surveillance and #fascist ideologies.

Age Verification Wants Your Face, and Your Privacy

Age verification laws forcing platforms to restrict access to content online have been multiplying in recent years. The problem is, implementing such measure necessarily requires identifying each user accessing this content, one way or another. This is bad news for your privacy.

Privacy Guides (www.privacyguides.org)

Good news, UK Discord users, we're part of a Peter Thiel-linked data collection "experiment"

Discord have belatedly confirmed that they're working with Persona, an identity detection firm backed by a fund directed by Palantir chairman Peter Thiel.

Rock Paper Shotgun (www.rockpapershotgun.com)

Fuck that noise! Fuck giving shitheads like Thiel personal information handed to them on a silver platter. #mastodon #oligarchy #privacy #enshittification

@benroyce @Mastodon @mellifluousbox Compliance with fascist laws is fascism.

@ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

oh shut the fuck up you edgelord

just leave now then

good fucking riddance

all you're asking is that these servers be shut down and the people running them to face legal trouble

THAT IS ALL YOU ARE ASKING FOR

that is all your ego masturbation drama is good for!

do you have the fucking brains to understand that that is the only way what you're asking for will go?

you're angry about this?

GOOD

so go after YOUR GOVERNMENT

@charlesdelavalleepoussin @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

There seems to be a lot of lgbtq+-people here, so there is at least some diversity.

If you mean skin colour, I don't know much this is about non-existence of not-whitepassing people, and how much it is them not writing in English?

How popular is fediverse in Latin America, Africa, Asia, anyway?

@benroyce Such a calm and persuasive discussion.
Good to know you are emotionally regulated, and prepared to argue your position on its merits.

Or just call people names and rage, I guess.

@starlily

yes i agree with you that edgelord ego masturbation drama over what mastodon is forced to do, and blaming the wrong culprit, is stupid

and that it is more effective to attack the government for doing this. as long as one has enough neurons to realize the fucking obvious. instead of deciding that pumping up their ego with uselessly and moronically blaming mastodon instead like an emotionally unregulated cringelord because they like taking "brave stands" for the drama points

thank you

@ariarhythmic @benroyce @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

Your definition may of course vary, but if age-check in itself is fascism, it becomes hard to run any community or society where people don't know a lot about each other by other means.

(Eg. a small town pub where "everybody knows your name".)

The question of fascism comes up when we start talking about how the age-check is made, and what other information gets shared in addition to age. Or how that age-check can be misused, even in theory.

@fluffykittycat @starlily exactly this

@fluffykittycat While you are correct, Ben is unreasonably unkind to anyone who crosses his path, even allies and friends.
I am sure hes an intelligent person, but his attitude sure doesnt reflect it.
Im pretty tired of hatred, especially from people who are supposed to be on the same side, so I muted him.

@benroyce @starlily Have you ever heard of the idea of disobedience?

@benroyce @starlily It's when you don't do as you're told when asked to do something stupid. It's what a person with a conscience does when faced with authoritarian laws.

@iju @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

looking at the emoji in aria's profile, not knowing if they are trans, but if they are i understand why they feel threatened by id checks

if i were trans i would feel intensely threatened, physically, mortally, by id checks

especially in countries like my like stupid fucking country (the usa)

at the same time:

if i *really* cared about id checks, i wouldn't be attacking the wrong entity

aria's heart is in the right place but their brain is AWOL

@benroyce @iju @Mastodon @mellifluousbox my point is when a fascist orders you do a fascist thing and you do as you're told, you're a moral failure.

@ariarhythmic @starlily

so disobey

run a server

do not abide by id checks

then the govt shows up

now you are REALLY identified to the authorities

aria:

if you are trans (just going off the emoji in your profile), i understand why id checks are threatening to you. physically. mortally even

your heart is in the right place

but your brain is completely missing!

go after your government!

@benroyce @starlily Why can't we *both* go after the governments and refuse to obey in advance?

@ariarhythmic @iju @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

aria:

go

run a server

don't comply with id checks

watch what happens

nobody is standing in your way

do it

but might i suggest you vote, organize, and agitate to fight id laws?

if you really cared?

do you think walking up to a fascist and asking to be shot is effective resistance?

@ariarhythmic @starlily

because it's tactically moronic

you're not asking for resistance, you're demanding admins stand up and ask fascists to shoot them

this is not brave, this is not strong, it's fucking stupid

in resistance you think *strategy* and *tactics* because you want to be *effective*

right?

do you think grandstanding on social media with cringe foolish ineffective demands is anything remotely like that?

@benroyce @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

Yeah, I noticed the emoji, and I do understand they're problably really raw about the developments of the past few years. Particularly if they're in the States.

Opposing fascism is really healthy! I'm just concerned that jumping the gun with the GmbH leads to being ignored when sensible applications of age-checks (and what happens if you don't participate) are done.

This seems paramount.

@benroyce @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

Taking the hard-line with fascism is healthy, but pushing others to any course of action without knowing the cost to them seems non-strategic. (In this case: turning GmbH into latter-day Pirate Bay.)

No one battle will defeat fascism, but not fighting isn't the answer either. To push the allegory to the breaking point, we want sabotage and raiding, not cause a Verdun that will consume our future as surely as fascism will..