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  • Marco ArmentM Marco Arment

    Just had a wild thought:

    Have we made our last major programming languages?

    xgermanX This user is from outside of this forum
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    @marcoarment I asked someone who worked on the first GitHub copilot if we need “a programming language for llms” his answer was that the existing ones are already perfect for it. So unlikely we will see another big one —

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    • Marco ArmentM Marco Arment

      Just had a wild thought:

      Have we made our last major programming languages?

      Dean JohnsonD This user is from outside of this forum
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      @marcoarment I should think that large scale concurrency has been solidly, intuitively, easily, and safely handled that there should not be any more languages needed. 🙂

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      • Marco ArmentM Marco Arment

        Just had a wild thought:

        Have we made our last major programming languages?

        Daniel DickisonD This user is from outside of this forum
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        @marcoarment I feel like some variant of Lisp will end up being a universal language when machines are doing most of the raw writing and reading. But maybe that’s just me (as a former professional lisp coder)

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        • Jason BeckerJ Jason Becker

          @marcoarment I actually have a friend who has spent the last month writing a new language that more deeply embeds the ideas of MCP into its core. It's fascinating to see him take what he's learned and bring it to a domain-- I think we may actually see lots of micro-languages that are purpose built.

          Adrian Schönig :kangaroo:N This user is from outside of this forum
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          @jsonbecker @marcoarment There's something to this. I'm working on an app that has a little purpose-built scripting language and LLMs can work really well with that when provided with a reference markdown file of the syntax and supported functions, plus a CLI to evaluate the code. It's pretty remarkable seeing that in action.

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          • Marco ArmentM Marco Arment

            Just had a wild thought:

            Have we made our last major programming languages?

            Pratik PatelP This user is from outside of this forum
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            @marcoarment We as in humans? Yes. I bet we see a LLM-created (or inspired) programming language. The key is data. Reasoning will be key here.

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            • Marco ArmentM Marco Arment

              Just had a wild thought:

              Have we made our last major programming languages?

              Christof StadlerD This user is from outside of this forum
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              @marcoarment My totally unscientific take: yes for the „user space“ (App Development) no for kernel space.

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              • Marco ArmentM Marco Arment

                Just had a wild thought:

                Have we made our last major programming languages?

                MegatronicThronBanksM This user is from outside of this forum
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                @marcoarment Yes COBOL was it

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                • Marco ArmentM Marco Arment

                  Just had a wild thought:

                  Have we made our last major programming languages?

                  MachielV This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @marcoarment propably. End of an era I guess.

                  I get that LLMs are the futures. But it has just killed my interest in tech/programming and I’m actively switching to a different career.

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                  • Marco ArmentM Marco Arment

                    Just had a wild thought:

                    Have we made our last major programming languages?

                    AwaxA This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #30

                    @marcoarment
                    If “major” means “used for a significant portion of code written/generated”, I would want to leave room for one or two new languages, authored by LLM for LLMs

                    Otherwise, with access to LLM themselves, my guess is that we will see a Cambrian explosion of small purpose built languages

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                    • Marco ArmentM Marco Arment

                      Just had a wild thought:

                      Have we made our last major programming languages?

                      Matthew FlintM This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #31

                      @marcoarment
                      Good question - I have been worrying about innovation, and where the incentive is to innovate now.

                      If LLMs had become popular 10 years earlier, would Apple have made SwiftUI, when it’s easier to have a machine churn out UIKit code forever?

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                      • Marco ArmentM Marco Arment

                        Just had a wild thought:

                        Have we made our last major programming languages?

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                        @marcoarment absolutely not. There’s still a need for languages that reduce the amount of boilerplate, increase safety without performance overhead, and with no reliance on the random-code generators. Especially when Anthropic/OpenAI will need to start earning profits from LLMs

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                        • Marco ArmentM Marco Arment

                          Just had a wild thought:

                          Have we made our last major programming languages?

                          Martin Mouritzen :podfriend:M This user is from outside of this forum
                          Martin Mouritzen :podfriend:M This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @marcoarment Of course not. It's just that an LLM will make the next one, and it will probably read like brainfuck

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